while waiting for this "new light " about the "faithful and discreet slave"to officially come out, "captives of a concept" already explained that in actual practice, the various terms that have been used to refer to "gods organization" (including "the faithful and discreet slave") refer in fact to just "the men who have been hidden behind those terms" - the men of the governing body.
see chapters 6 and 11. raymond franz figured this out long before the governing body just did.
in his "crisis of conscience" he said.... "whether the governing body members acknowledge it or whether they prefer not to think about it, the fact remains that in the crucial aspects of the authority and teachings they, and they alone, are the organization.
How does the info that came out a few months ago in Australia where a WTBTS attorney answered that there really is not a F&DS class.?
Anyone remember this case and the actual comments made by the attorney?
If what he said is true, then how does this play out with the nu lite?
They've got that covered too bruh with two words, spiritual warfare, or even the belief that admitting of a slave class would be like tossing your pearls before swine.
solomon alluded to it yesterday in a thread, i found the online large print pdfs here, not sure where the regular version is yet.
here are the full paragraphs, grab your barf bags .
19 on the other hand, if you choose the path of resentment.
Second what Sir82 said. There are tons of contradictory statements that the WT has put out throughout the years, but with such a plethora of material out there it's difficult to inflict damage on the org without having to really spell it out. Those two captions however, very concise and to the point. No need to be long winded when you've got those two captions lined up next to one another. It's would be difficult to say the least if not impossible for an apologist to wiggle out of trying to explain the contradiction between those two captions.
edit post: that caption from 2009 is further evidence to me that there's another faction present within the upper echelons of the WT doing the work of a saboteur. I don't see how it's possible that such an article could have went out the door without the GB failing to see the irony?
just got word that my youngest brother died of pancreatic cancer.
he was diagnosed in early august.
this has been really tough for me and my family..
Very sorry to hear that, very sorry. Sorry for your loss, hang in there.
at today's special assembly in natick ma, bro brown payne annouced to the audience that serena williams was disciplined by her local elders for her swearing escapade on tv.. saying: "can jehovah's witnesses swear like that on tv?
" then he told the audience that she was "disciplined" by the elders of the congregation she's a publisher in.. doesn't this smack of revealing the private business of another person?
the most the local elders could have said was "a matter concerning serena williams has been handled by the elder body".
No biggie.... her run-in with the elders was mentioned in a profile published in the New York Times Sunday Magazine a month or so ago.
Glad you mentioned that, wasn't aware of the article.
Because she seemed to be handling uncomfortable topics surprisingly well, I moved on to maybe the second-biggest oncourt scandal of her career — her notorious outburst at a lineswoman who had made a questionable foot-fault call against her during the 2009 U. S. Open. To be fair, the call looked bogus in replay, and Serena has suffered enough bad calls at that tournament — some that were almost surreally so, including one in a 2004 match against Jennifer Capriati — to justify a little paranoia. Even so, she went over the line and said things that would have scared the living hell out of me if I’d been in that chair.
“How do you feel about that now?” I asked.
“I was definitely stressed, and I was angry,” she said. “I don’t foot-fault. Like, I have in the past, but this woman should never make a call in the semifinals of a Grand Slam on a person who doesn’t foot-fault. She was totally wrong. I’m sorry. I’m not sorry. I looked at her like — I tried to warn her. And then she did it again. And I’m thinking, This is ridiculous.”
“But you admit you went over the top?” I said.
“What bothered me most was that I was representing my religion. I just felt like anyone who knew I was a Witness was stumbled. And I really don’t want to stumble anybody.” Indeed, Oracene had told me that the Witnesses called Serena in for a dressing-down. “They had to have a talk with me,” Serena said. “And I knew it was coming. I just felt really bad, though, because it’s like, that’s not who I am.”
“How does that work?” I asked. “Were you summoned by a minister?”
“They just talk to you,” she said. “They show you Scriptures. Not ministers, they call them elders. It’s almost like a reprimand, but it’s not bad, because in the Bible it says God loves you, and if someone reprimands you, they love you.”
Interesting.
it's just a thought right now, but one of those thoughts where i have that itch.
it's that same itch felt before i purchase something major.
i'm just wondering what i might be getting into based upon others experiences in this regard.
lol, you guys aren't very encouraging.
it's just a thought right now, but one of those thoughts where i have that itch.
it's that same itch felt before i purchase something major.
i'm just wondering what i might be getting into based upon others experiences in this regard.
It's just a thought right now, but one of those thoughts where I have that itch. It's that same itch felt before I purchase something major. I'm just wondering what I might be getting into based upon others experiences in this regard. Right now the thought is transitioning to a point where the only meats I would eat would be fish. Any advice? Experiences? Any failures? Success stories?
while i am waiting and taking a big break to sort everything out.
i thought i would share some very cool life and scientific things that were revealed in the scriptures.
have you ever wondered why god made beasts and predators?
Love or hate her, Shelby at least had a certain measure of talent when it came to threads like these.
she had that one comin to her.
she's lucky he didnt stomp her out as he had plenty of time to really hurt her.
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while i am waiting and taking a big break to sort everything out.
i thought i would share some very cool life and scientific things that were revealed in the scriptures.
have you ever wondered why god made beasts and predators?
I just figured he created predators and beasts because it made for great entertainment on Nat Geo, Discovery, Animal Planet, etc.. The Planet Earth series with the wild dogs hunting, and Shark Week, good stuff.
...hello folks.... ...i've read countless of posts, ideas, opinions, etc here and i'm interested in your response.... ...there is a whole gamut of feelings here from individuals that are simply annoyed with the wt organization, to those that come off as hellbent on putting the org out of comission.... ...others yet seem to have made it their mission in life to eradicate the concept of god himself.... ...to any of these, what is your motivation?
and do you ever doubt that these efforts are futile?
do you feel that you posses the power/ability/means to change the convictions/faiths of the masses?
I just have a place to vent
Ditto, co-sign 100%. If not for this outlet, I'd be more miserable than I already am trying to keep my confirmed lack of belief(formerly doubt) to myself. It's a lonely and frustrating existance being an active JW while being unable to express any misgivings you might have about the organization. You have to be careful bringing up these thoughts to someone related to you physically, and you absolutely cannot express doubts to anyone related to you in the faith unless you're ready to lose everyone you care about, maybe lose your way of living, your wife and children, etc.. Fukked up religion.
